and frankly, as -- people in michigan are telling me, my family and friends, over christmas, is that they really want us just to sit down and work together and get something done. and when we're talking about an average of $2,200 in increased taxes potentially on a middle-class family, you know, i have one woman say that's four months' groceries for her kids. people here may think this is some kind of chess game. this is serious business. it's serious for the economy. it's serious for families. and you know, it's pretty hard to see this thing go round and round and round like it is. >> senator debbie stabenow of michigan, thank you very much for your time tonight. >> you're welcome. >> so maybe the super dangerous mess in washington is the fault of both sides. that's what people say. i mean, there are plenty of people who say that in public all the time. except that it is not. and we can prove it to you. that bit of business is coming up. >>> have you ever been to hobby lobby? if you're in the market for fake flowers or beads or yarn, you may find yourself in a hobby lobby. now, me,